Worthy of discussion? or to beburied by inanities?

[Diogenes]

It is an easy task to post as multiple entities or bury social issues three pages deep we have plenty of example of that ever since Zelly came and left am return with a spate of posts some here suspect him of multiple presonae, Is that as much of an issue as the social;ills outlined in the following article?

No to this writer!
one liners and zingers abound while heroin use soars, but hey ain't we all so clever with our "short people" ways (Apologies to Randy Newman)




Thu, November 25, 2004



Drug use up among young: study

By MARIA MCCLINTOCK, SUN OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWA -- The number of young Canadians smoking pot and injecting drugs has doubled over the last decade, according to a groundbreaking national study. The Canadian Addiction Survey also paints a disturbing picture of heavy drinking among young people aged 15 to 24.

The soaring numbers prompted officials from Health Canada and Canadian Executive Council on Addictions Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse, which oversaw the survey, to admit previous prevention campaigns had failed.

"We have to find out what these prevention campaigns were. In fact, we don't feel they have been very effective," said Michel Perron, of the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse.

"Now we have the opportunity to make young people aware, once more, of the dangers inherent to use."

Over the last year 14% of Canadians said they smoked pot, compared to 7.4% in 1994. Overall, 45.5% of Canadians said they smoked pot sometime in their lives - almost double the number a decade ago.

Ten years ago, the survey showed 1.7 million Canadians had injected drugs at least once. This year it's estimated 4.1 million can make that claim.

The report also shows that when it comes to alcohol, 79.3% of Canadians over the age of 15 said they drink - with 44% doing so on a weekly basis.

"(In 2004) drinking rates peak among youth 18 to 24 years of age, with about 90% of people in that age range consuming alcohol during the course of the year," the report states.

A total 13,900 Canadians were surveyed with a minimum of 1,000 in each province.

[ZELLEY]

Relax! Post all the messages that you can, but why get nasty.
Your disagreements started with the Remembrance Day posts and
discussion about your views on Corporations and the USA. Nobody
is preventing you from your strong views.

Even in the "Food For Thought" thread, most of the posted messages
are yours prior to you adding more Thought lists.

So chill out and get on with it!

[diogenes]

As I suspected ;D


You realy don't much being shown up for what and who you are.
I was having this very discussion with a poster from her this evening. I suspected that is what stuck in your craw.
Well zellster Old bean opr might that be, has been?

Ya gotz ta face facts Bro nasty is as nasty does.

Your American idols have feet of clay and you seem to have a difficult time in coming to terms with that.


I back my posts with data, while you run and hide, post then deleted, and some suspect have come back as multiple posters.

If you can counter the evidence i've posted on corporations Crooked ellection and patriot citizens being manipulated into laying their lives down for falsehoods, do so!

You ask me to chill and i ask you to open your eyes to some things your investment monies go into like Halliburton's shennanigans.


You are a hollow man Zelly
and have no taste for truth! only illusions

[ZELLEY]

Dear Dio old mate, I'm sure if we were face to face having a beer
or a java, we would likely agree on all the Social Ills.

For your information, I do not support big Corporations or the USA.
How you dreamed that one up, I don't know. Politically I'm
a Social Democrat, not a Conservative or a Liberal. Sadly, in your neck of the woods, many of the old Socreds still control the vote, pity!

THE PRIMARY PROBLEM AND SERIOUS ISSUES INCLUDE
(not in any particular order):
1. Poverty and unemployment,
2. Drug usage and crime
3. World conflict:
- primary Middle East Crisis cause - The Palastine issue
(A signicant way to minimize this issue - for the Palestine people to have their own free homeland - nothing less, nothing more)
4 Global warming & other environmental issues

I think if we compared notes, we would agree on most thinks.

However, it is my view that a Kelowna based website is not the most effective forum for dealing with these problems, because who is the
audience, and how effective can we be on this isolated site.

If you want real hot debate and a wider voice and ears, the
Globetrotters list would be better than a Kelowna list.

So where do we disagree?

Anyone on this list may retrieve any post and send a reply message if it is important to that person.

[ZELLEY]

Dio old boy re the "Food For Thought" thread with a 133 messages.
42 of them belong to you (almost a third). So if that thread is a significant problem, then you had a major part in it by the volume of your posts.

Re IMPORTANT Issues, I told you why I set that up and you
advanced it with a couple of posts.

[diogenes]

Anm interesting responce Zelly!
my question though is what took ya so long to come to it?

you could just as easily copped to this stance you now display whe you first came aboard.

Instead you chose to play in the manner you did.


I wont go back and and bring forward the responces you gave t doesn't serve my purpose
You very well may be right in that we are not that far apart , however this is the first indication aI am aware of,
of you displaying that

[ZELLEY]

DIO old chap:

Thank you for your understanding!

keep up the good work, despite our disagreemebts from time-to-time.

ZED 10 and Fast & Furious

[Diogenes]

The only "thanks " I deserve is for unmasking you as am manipulator, so don't go all chummy now that that has happenend.

the only "under" here ought to be that of under suspicion of your motives for the disrutions you brought about.

[caffeine]

Motives, difficult to ascertain. Everyone is mmotivated by something. Often, with manipulative behaviour, motives are underhanded, passive agressive etc.

Sometimes though, socially awkward people are motivated only by wanting to engage, discuss, make contact etc. In doing so, by personal style they can offend, disrupt etc.

Take your pick.