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Post by Out of Town on Sept 9, 2003 7:48:24 GMT -5
“I’m sure proud of my Grandparents and their parents for rebuilding” That’s what I say when I
visit places that burnt to the ground during the pioneer years of this young Province. Just imagine
the arguments that evolved when Vancouver burnt to the ground and they rebuilt! What fools
they were and some other idiot thought they should set aside a large parcel of land and call it
Stanley Park. Boy were they ever stupid. Kaslo took a dumb old paddle-wheeler “The Moyie”
hoisted it out of the water in the 50's thinking it might be a good idea. The Wacky Bennett
government thought in 1958 that a place called Barkerville could become a tourist attraction. I
even heard of some Nut in the 60's thought that some place north of Vancouver could host the
Olympics. This is a very short list of fools and their mistakes. I hope the people in Kelowna make
the list. Rebuild your Homes, Rebuild the Trestles and Build your Bridge. You will Prosper, this
is just mother nature cleaning the slate. Feel good about yourselves, you have the future in your
hands. Everyone in the nation and a lot from around the world is on your side.
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Post by VIslander on Sept 9, 2003 8:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by MyParentsHouse on Sept 9, 2003 9:53:20 GMT -5
head...  It is nice to see out of town people supporting us in what has to be done....and now the work must begin.  |
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Post by CookRoad on Sept 9, 2003 17:48:05 GMT -5
WARNING - Don't rebuild until you evaluate the safety and stability of the site.
That is, deforestation will result in instability on the slopes and watersheds. Denuded forest regions will be subject to massive erosion and slippage.
In many cases, it will not be wise to rebuild in the same location. For example, the KVR rail line will be vulnerable to surface slides and foundation undermining that can wipe out any rebuilt trestle structures, and homes under steeply graded slopes may be subject to mud slides.
Before rebuilding, everyone should take a deep breath and have proper engineering studies done to see whether certain of these sites are even safe anymore. Many will not be.
I applaud the will of Kelowna to "get back on the horse", but urge circumspection to avoid getting bitten in the azz.
Peace
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Post by Out of Town on Sept 9, 2003 18:48:10 GMT -5
Very important points!! What I was saying is please look into the future, as the decissions made now impact our kids, lets be careful. and I say this with deep concerns.
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Post by virailphoto on Sept 10, 2003 2:04:17 GMT -5
In many cases, it will not be wise to rebuild in the same location. For example, the KVR rail line will be vulnerable to surface slides and foundation undermining that can wipe out any rebuilt trestle structures, and homes under steeply graded slopes may be subject to mud slides. Before rebuilding, everyone should take a deep breath and have proper engineering studies done to see whether certain of these sites are even safe anymore. Many will not be. Obviously, any rebuiding should be safe. I don't think anyone suggested otherwise. I certainly wouldn't. Your comment about undermining of the foundation for the trestles is something I find interesting. I thought that the trestles were built on rock in most places, so this should not be a problem. As to mudslides, in the short term there will be problems of slides if there is too much rain too fast. There has been a lot of ground cover and root systems lost in the fire. However, the plants that grow in a burned over area are also the type that help stabalize the soil. My guess is that the problem of slides will only last one or possibly two winters. Now as to slides affecting the tresltes, I doubt it. The trestles are fairly high up the canyon in rocky terrain. It would be lower areas, and less rocky areas, that I would have concerns about. |
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Post by CookRoad on Sept 10, 2003 4:04:26 GMT -5
<snipped for emphasis>Obviously, any rebuiding should be safe... AgreedI thought that... so this should not be a problem. Glad you think so. Maybe an expert should evaluate this?As to mudslides, in the short term there will be problems of slides if there is too much rain too fast. Your opinion again... thank you  the plants that grow in a burned over area are also the type that help stabalize the soil.... "Help stabalize(sic)"? How about something that will actually stabilize?My guess is... Your guess and a loonie will get you a cup of coffee  slides affecting the tresltes, I doubt it.... That you doubt it is no comfort to us that million$ precipitously spent won't be a total waste.The trestles are fairly high up the canyon in rocky terrain. Fairly high up eh? Maybe a geologist and an engineer and a hydrologist could be consulted. I don't trust your opinion with our spare million$It would be lower areas, and less rocky areas, that I would have concerns about... Oh so now you're concerned - you mean like Crawford or Okaview or Gallagher's |
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Post by guest on Sept 10, 2003 21:09:05 GMT -5
Quote from CookRoad:
"<snipped for emphasis>"
Don't you mean snippity?
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Post by Geesh on Sept 11, 2003 2:12:51 GMT -5
the trestle areas will become unstable as well, because the root system has had its integrity lost, and as a result, many of the rocky areas themselves will also have lost their integrity.
All areas of reconstruction MUST be considered, as rebuilding without the proper consultation will result in major losses.
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Post by LHS on Sept 11, 2003 6:44:25 GMT -5
Does anyone really think that millions will be spent without proper studies by engineers and the like? Crap, they'll no dobt spend more on studies in time and money than the whole KVR cost.
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It is nice to see out of town people supporting us in what has to be done....and now the work must begin. 
