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Post by pissant on Nov 16, 2003 21:41:03 GMT -5
I live on the westside-and i watched for three days as the fire ate the hillside. i saw it from one end-right to the other. Bizaare, and well...i was almost hoping it would burn the town down ( i can imagine the slack i will get from this letter)....really. It could have been prevented. I wish it never happened because there is so much bloody crying. No lives lost, and hell....most people have insurance. Oh, what a pity to watch someones swimming pool burn down. Cindy and Charles stand bye with their teenage daughter---sobbing..."not the pool Daddy" "Not the Suburban--Charles...NOOOOOO---my new Ginsu Knives....oh god...why? WHY? WHY?"
Still talking about the fires. 38 years later: "Yes, in four months we will be sadly remembering the Okanagan Mountain Park Fire that took place 37 years ago" Next month......"in just three and a half months we will be sadly remembering...ect" and on and on, and then after......"it has been just three months since the people of Kelowna took part in a city wide ceremony -decicated to remembering the Okanagan Mountain Park Fire and its victims that occured 37 and a half years ago..." and some commentary "its not easy to forget the tradgedy that ignited 38 years ago...what are people doing to keep the memory alive of those who lost their homes in the fire?" Me......"Im trying to forget the fricking fire but you jerks wont let it darning go. Im so tired of hearing about the fricking fire, im gonna start another one...on your fricking block."
I never lost my house. And I have only met a couple people who did. It is sad. Sad people lost all their "stuff". No one lost lives. ANd as the world talks about real things like sanctions and war-children starving...i really dont think the people have experienced that much hardship. Insurance, $1000 dollar cheques & hey...even Bryan Adams tickets...free denny's...i WISH my house burnt down. If it were a poor district, like all the trailer parks on the west side...do you really think there would be as much aid? Do you think everyone would have recieved a $1000 cheque? Real homeless-poverty stricken people get a bowl of luncheon meat soup and a juice box...if they are lucky. No more crying please. This a bourgeoisie money ploy. Help people who need it...man. man-oh-man. Stuff is stuff...it isnt life...it isnt what makes a person a person. Let it go, and be thankful...which most fire victims are (one victim told me he got a brand new thousand dollar bed! and was he ever happy about it!!!!) This time they get a bigger T.V.
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Post by MyParentsHouse on Nov 17, 2003 2:43:47 GMT -5
not everyone took advantage of the fire aid. For your friend..well a bigger tv...that's great...some people still dont' have a home to put that stupid tv in. For many people who are still in the middle of trying to get a home the fire is FAR from over....get over the fire....they are estimating that some of the larger lots they will not be able to move home now for a year to two years....how can they GET OVER IT..... People heal by talking and dealing with it bit by bit....who are you who wished that it burnt the city to talk....how badly were you affected????Did you help crying families evacuate their homes with your children......some people have compassion....some people need to cope in different ways...For many the fire still affects them daily....for you looking across the lake you see sticks....for those who still can't even go up to their homes because there isn't one...it is far from over.....so if you dont want to see or read anything on the fire because for you it is over....then don't read the firepage....get over it. There are many people who need help in our fine world...no we were very lucky unlike California fires who lost many lives...What do you do to help these people you so vehamantly stand up for? ? Do you donate time to those oppressed people on the street? Do you make time to walk down the street with a thermos full of coffee and hand it out on a cold night? How many pairs of socks are in your drawer? How many have you taken down to the gospel mission and offered to those with no home to go too and no room in the INN so to speak..... There are many people I know who are very passionate about helping people thru strife....money means nothing when you have lost everything...you just need time to heal and someone compassionate to listen to you ramble...hence here we are.....
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Post by pissant on Nov 17, 2003 11:55:51 GMT -5
stop the drama mama.
Its the rich aiding the rich. Thats all. & well, i've been about the world a bit & i have seen some suffering. Not the nicest things. These people are pretty damn lucky. Count your blessings and move on. & make it snappy-there are many more tribulations to come. People should have donated kleenex. & lots of it. You see even all this community nonsense is just other people masking that they care....but its really just taking part of other peoples drama and suffering...they do it so they can feel it...but they dont actually want to feel it. People that aid are really just thankful it was someone elses house. ANd it is partially their own guilt. I think alot of people loved the fires and also hoped the town burnt down...they want some misery, something to get worked up about...they can claim themselves as victims....and then survivors....and then heros.
The greatest giver of alms is not pity, but fear.....(Freddy Nietszche)
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Post by MyParentsHouse on Nov 17, 2003 12:19:09 GMT -5
suffering...too bad you dont' have empathy. Drama...no..real life yes. Your views of what really happened are skewwed. Your harboring some real issues and need to deal with them. You are wanting to have everyone get over it NOW because it is on your agenda as you are not in the midst of it. If you don't want to deal with it don't come to the firepage. Sorry but this will go on for years to come for the ones that were affected...and you seem to think that all those affected were RICH...which is not the case...which if you were here before has been hashed out a million times....I am sick of people who THINK they know what is going on just because they have seen others suffer. We have too and you have to validate others feelings before they can move on. Get over yourself...this is not about you...it is about people trying to get on with their lives and a little bit of compassion which it seems you don't have the patience to have. So in essence check out the renters who lost their homes, check out the trailer park up on Chute lake road and see not rich people but people trying to get by while rebuilding your lives.....check out those lots who the people can't rebuild because they can't get anyone up there to even look at them because they are too busy. I don't care if people are rich, poor or otherwise...yes money speaks volumes in alot of things...but in loss there is still a grieving process that needs to be dealt with...the sooner these people can move back home the sooner they can heal...but I can't see that happening very fast...so in essence...deal with it cause we are.....
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Post by pissant on Nov 17, 2003 12:36:07 GMT -5
This firepage is for anyone and everyone to post their thoughts & experiences. They don't have to be susinct with your ideas, thoughts and experiences. This page isn't hear solely to "validate" feelings. I am an empathetic person. I am not saying..."Yee Haw-your house burned down"...i just feel its going toooo far. Hold on to that victim feeling. You might get enough sympathy/empathy in the next 30 years....the fire community might actually heal. The forests- who got it the worst-seems to be moving along. Nature takes it's course....move along. It was no 9/11....no Columbine High....it was a natural disaster. No one died, and there seems to be enough damn money, aid and validation of feelings that people should give it up. T-shirts /benefit concerts/ cheques/ stuff -stuff-, now t-shirts...rebuilding tressels....if these are historic, and this is now historic...why rebuild the tressels? that would make them NEW. Not historic...History is not lost...its in the making. Leave the tressels burnt down...hell, another monumental reminder of the tradgedy. Gotta love it.
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Post by MyParentsHouse on Nov 17, 2003 12:58:04 GMT -5
and thinking that these people will be dealing with this for 30 years...your thinking is skewwed. As soon as they can get on with their lives and get back to a normal state of life without the phone calls to insurance, the builders who don't return calls trying to replace things lost...they will return....I am/they are not playing victim and don't want the sympathies but the empathy to give them the time they need. I am sure that people will talk about the fire for many years to come especially because it is suppose to be a dry year next year too....but come on talk about drama with the looking for sympathy for 30 years....get a grip. As for the money....this seems to be a real issue with you...well if there is money we have not seen a penny of it.... You hear about it they say the checque is in the mail....but guess what.....THERE HAS BEEN NONE. So with the money issue that you seem to think these people are being handed freely....It isn't happening. So when you listen to the story on the news about all the money that has been raised....think about it...WHERE is the money going??? If the fire survivors have not received it...who is getting it. The $1000 that is comming is just a drop in the bucket for the money it is going to take to be able to move home. Mom and dad are looking at just over $50,000 to tier their lot to make it safe to move back onto....guess what...they are retirement age and had just paid off their mortgage a year ago. This is not covered by insurance. They took a $60,000 loss on contents because they couldn't even fathom replacing on a time limit the stuff they had in their home. They figured that was enough to replace just the stuff they needed.(Their choice) Everyone seems to think that these people are comming out better than they went in....well maybe next time tell your friend to be honest about what he actually had in his home.....For alot of people this is not a hard task. Money for most of these people means nothing...they just want to have their homes back.
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Post by MyParentsHouse on Nov 17, 2003 13:15:32 GMT -5
as I was a ways from the fire...but mom and dad did lose their home. I am not looking for sympathy and neither are they or anyone else we know for that matter. Just tired of hearing there were worse things out there...they are healing day by day but it is not something that you snap your fingers and it is done. Never did I say that you can't vent your feelings or how you are feeling...I am just trying to give you another perspecitive of someone who's only involvment is helping those who have lost their homes come to grips with rebuilding. Sympathies are long since done...the phone calls long since stopped and for most of them they are GLAD...they got tired of hearing I am so sorry for your loss.....Now they just want to hear...you can move back home on ______. Just had to add that.
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Post by GeorgieBoy on Nov 27, 2003 3:52:36 GMT -5
If you were closly effect by it all...You would understand. Enough Said.
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