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Post by OKValleyGirl on Aug 17, 2004 13:55:12 GMT -5
FLYING YELLOW RIBBONS Flying yellow ribbons, Vigils by candlelight, But girls are still being murdered, They are being taken from this life... Petitions by the thousands, Marches in the streets, Have not stopped these wicked men, From completing their selfish, evil feats... How many of our daughters, My friends, his sisters, your wives, Must perish in such horrific ways, And be stripped of their precious lives... We have this thing called, Justice, But Justice for whom I ask, For the victims or the convicts, Or for the faces behind Laws Masks... The laws, they must be changed, we chant, That's just a step along the way, Rehab and stiffer sentences, Not a few years, less a day... And who will die tomorrow, Who will disappear next week, Who's daughter, mother, sister, friend, Must we lay to rest beneath our feet... Flying yellow ribbons, Vigils by candlelight, But girls are still being murdered, Still, they are taken from this life... Flying yellow ribbons... Vigils by candlelight...  |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 17, 2004 16:49:14 GMT -5
An excellant ode maam.
What would they be like?
Living still today?
Would they be a secretary or study to be a nurse?
Would they be a president or sing and write in verse?
What would they be like?
Living still today?
Would they have the cure inside,
To fight the common cold?
Could it be,that they would have,
The answer to all the questions told?
Would they be a helpful hand,
In all the things they do?
I know for sure that they would be,
Loved by those that shared.
In their lives that were shorten so,
Those days so long ago.
May the memories of those taken and lost serve as a salve for those who still grieve and wonder "What would they be like?". To the Tran family and the Miller family,may the blessings of the Father help you and keep you.
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Post by OKValleyGirl on Aug 17, 2004 16:55:46 GMT -5
Wonderfully put.
Memories bring such sadness,
on days just like today,
I wish I had my friend again,
and all her quirky ways.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 17, 2004 17:17:01 GMT -5
Wonderfully put. Memories bring such sadness, on days just like today, I wish I had my friend again, and all her quirky ways. But,you do have her, Always,you see. In the memories shared, In your heart,just look In ther,written like a book. Take a second or a moment or two, Reflect upon the days. That it took to write the odes Upon your memory. OKValleyGirl,there is always somebody ready to listen.Don't pass up an opportunity to share. |
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Post by Dohi on Aug 17, 2004 19:11:36 GMT -5
Thats beautiful you guys, she wouldve been 18 years old today.......
Its wierd, cuz the one person that always sticks in the back of my mind is Michael Dunahee...does anyone remember him? He went missing in the early 90's from a Victoria park and has never been found.........for some reason it touched my heart , maybe cuz he was so close in age to me at the time.........
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Post by OKValleyGirl on Aug 17, 2004 20:20:02 GMT -5
I remember Michael. It almost seems that he was the first one, that made people pay attention.
It is a sad world we live in today.
I appreciate the kindness I have felt in this forum. I hope that it continues, and that we all may get along. Opinions are opinions, our feelings and emotions belong to us, each of us has our own, but we must agree to disagree. Not everyone is right and not every one is wrong. But people, we need a place, such as this, where we CAN all get along with each other. A safe hidden haven for us to let off steam or yell or scream or cry. A place, to laugh and smile and cheer each other, if but a little, just by being here, for support, The world doesn't have many havens anymore, maybe if the 15 year old had have had a haven, he may be a little less destructive, today...
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Post by Dohi on Aug 17, 2004 21:59:41 GMT -5
Right on OK Valley Girl!
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Post by Cranky on Aug 17, 2004 22:37:14 GMT -5
i lived on the Island at the time of the Dunahee abduction.The whole place was shocked.! It was something we never thought would touch us.To isolated from the mainland thinking(To blind actualy)
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Post by Dohi on Aug 17, 2004 22:56:19 GMT -5
I think thats where the Trans are lucky, is that they at least had some closure. The Dunahees havent. They dont know if hes dead or if hes alive...or if hes alive, whether or not he knows that hes been kidnapped.
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Post by diogenes on Aug 18, 2004 0:25:00 GMT -5
ISIT TRUELY "JUSTICE" YOU WANT? If so are youwilling to at least consider whatis written below?? canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/Hidden from History: The Canadian Holocaust A Call for Help from many people, and from the Truth Commission into Genocide in Canada Dear friends and supporters, Yesterday, I received another two cries for help, from groups of aboriginal survivors of residential school atrocities, in Alberta and the Yukon. And once more, I had to helplessly say, "I'm sorry, I wish I could come and help you. But I can't afford the airfare." One older woman told me she's been on the verge of killing herself because of the trauma of being sterilized by Anglican church doctors, until she read my book, "Hidden from History: The Canadian Holocaust". Now she's more angry than suicidal. "I want them to answer for what they did to me and my little brothers. They were trying to wipe us all out." Her band council chiefs are too scared to speak about the murders at Carcross "residential school", in the Yukon, where she was imprisoned. They've threatened her, telling her she'll lose her home if she speaks about the secret graveyard near the old school site. Last night, someone threw a rock through her window. So she called me, hoping against hope that somehow I can change all that. After speaking with this aging woman, I took my tears and frustration out into the back yard and walked among the trees, eventually screaming my anger at "God" and a deaf and uncaring world. I demanded to know: With all the money and means in this world, why am I unable to come to this woman's aid? Why must I beg and plead for help to do what so obviously must be done, if "justice" is something more than a nice idea? BRITISH COLUMBIA PEDOPHILE RING In June of 1998, a UN-sponsored Tribunal into Native Residential School abuse was held in Vancouver, B.C. Evidence presented at the Tribunal identified a pedophile/drug ring operating out of the Prince George-Morricetown area of the province. Witness testimony alleges the senor B.C. native chiefs, RCMP officers and senior government officials are involved in this provincial wide pedophile ring and that it is being covered-up by all authorities. The prestigious Vancouver Club was identified as the center of a predominantly homosexual pedophile ring involving two senior Supreme Court judges, RCMP officers, a senior United Church lawyer, two regional Indian Affairs Officers and Law Society Lawyers. Two attempts to uncover this pedophile ring since 1996 have been smashed, including the disappearance of child survivors and a reporter who was assaulted after interviewing survivors and has not been hear of since. More information on this pedophile ring can be viewed at Rev. Kevin Annett's web site HIDDEN FROM HISTORY: The Canadian Holocaust LAWYERS SPEAK OUT CARTEN, John - November 10, 2003 This copy of an 'email' sent to Mr. Neal Hall by Mr. John Carten is posted with permission from the writer. Mr. Carten is a retired lawyer from British Columbia. From: "John Carten" Save Address Print View Hide Headers Show as Text Report Junk Mail Block Sender Block Sender's Domain Date: 10 Nov 15:22 (PST) To: nealhall@telus.net Cc: Judith.Hoffman@courts.gov.bc.ca, yeamor@cknw.com Subject: NEAL HALL - VANCOUVER SUN REPORTER Message-Id: Received: (cpmta 5758 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 15:21:50 -0800 Received: from 207.68.163.119 (HELO hotmail.com) by smtp.c009.snv.cp.net (209.228.34.110) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 15:21:50 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:22:01 -0800 Received: from 209.53.181.26 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:22:01 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cartenjohn@hotmail.com] Content-Type: text/html X-Received: 10 Nov 2003 23:21:50 GMT X-Originating-Ip: [209.53.181.26] Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originalarrivaltime: 10 Nov 2003 23:22:01.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[71CD3560:01C3A7E1] November 10, 2003 Dear Mr. Hall: (reporter Vancouver Sun) What is wrong with you, Neal? I did not receive a reply from you to my correspondence of October 31, 2003. Do you think I was a little harsh to call Allan McEachern a "drooling idiot? Perhaps "dribbling idiot" is more appropriate. Nonetheless, it was Chief Justice Allan McEachern who, without any legal authority, unilaterally, created the "prostitute hunting zones" where predators like Willy Picton (allegedly) hunted the cherished daughters, sisters, and, yes, mothers in our own community. Incidentally, many of these innocent young women were addicted to drugs because judges refused to enforce the laws against drug trafficking. We think some of these judges were on the payroll of organized crime. As your know, today is the Silver Anniversary (25 years) of the forced resignation of Chief Justice John Ferris because of his close relations with drug traffickers and prostitutes. Do you know what Chief Justice John Ferris did that contributed to the slaughter, murder and butchering of those women who Picton (allegedly) singled out as his targets? John Ferris and his perverted pals on the bench, including Raymond Paris, changed the law so that men could not be charged with soliciting a prostitute on the street. That was a self serving thing to do, wasn't it, Neal? So, all of a sudden, because of John Ferris and Raymond Paris manipulating the law for their own purposes, the streets of Vancouver were filled with young women selling sex. The laws were so lax girls from Seattle came north. A perfectly good law that had served the valid social purpose of protecting women from predators on the streets for over 100 years was set aside by these members of the judiciary so they could not be charged themselves, then Allan McEachern, added his judicial impropriety and the murderings began. Have a good day Neal. Your old friend, John Carten CARTEN, John - January 18, 2004 From: "John Carten" Save Address Print View Hide Headers Show as Text Report Junk Mail Block Sender Block Sender's Domain Date: 17 Jan 18:54 (PST) To: CENSORED Subject: JOSIAH WOOD IS BAAACK AGAIN Message-Id: Received: (cpmta 27300 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 18:54:03 -0800 Received: from 207.68.163.17 (HELO hotmail.com) by smtp.c009.snv.cp.net (209.228.34.109) with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 18:54:03 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:54:02 -0800 Received: from 24.64.223.205 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:54:01 GMT X-Originating-Email: [cartenjohn@hotmail.com] Content-Type: text/html X-Received: 18 Jan 2004 02:54:03 GMT X-Originating-Ip: [24.64.223.205] Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cartenjohn@hotmail.com X-Originalarrivaltime: 18 Jan 2004 02:54:02.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[54405870:01C3DD6E] HI CENSORED The stories below that you sent from CENSORED are alarming. Surely the public deserve someone better than Josiah Wood as special prosecutor. Does anyone recall the opinion Josiah Wood rendered as Special Prosecutor that the Crown could not likely obtain a conviction against Peter Gill? Does anyone recall the Murrin trial where 5 professional prosecutors said the Crown would not get a conviction against Murrin but Josiah Wood took the case, was paid $2 million and lost. So, maybe you could tell CENSORED that Josh Wood is either a stupid lawyer or a crooked special prosecutor because he could not figure out that Peter Gill should be charged along with Gillian Guess for obstruction of justice. Is CENSORED related to Josh? It was Josh Wood who was retained by the Crown to assess whether there was enough evidence against Peter Gill to lay criminal charges against Gill for obstruction of justice like they laid charges against Guess. Wood said "No" i.e. "Sorry folks we cannot go after Peter Gill because a conviction is unlikely". The case against Gill was clear from the outset. You could not lose against Gill. After all, he was having an affair with a juror in his own trial. Five years after Wood rendered his fraudulent opinion, (in my humble opinion), a fellow I know from up Island sent a letter to Vancouver Council and Chief Constable Terry Blythe (circa Feb 2001) setting out a complaint about the unequal application of the law ie. Guess was charged and convicted and Gill was not, and, within days, charges were laid against Gill and he was convicted. So what is the Attorney General up to this time? Note in one of the stories below it mentions that the RCMP had info for many years but appear to have acted only after some additional information came to light in a civil suit.... gee, where have I heard that before? In other words, does it take a private lawsuit to shame the police into action?? |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 20, 2004 22:58:13 GMT -5
Thanks Dio,for that enlightening look into Canadian History. I think a lot of change needs to take place.I and others can see it,smell it,taste it etc.
What started as a poignant tribute to lost loved ones has now turned into a log jamb of injustces commited by people that will not be touched and can not be touched by justice.They should all be shot in the testicles,I agree,but,really,who the h*ll is going to do anything about it?
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Post by diogenes on Aug 21, 2004 0:06:30 GMT -5
Well Bud this old "KNOW IT ALL"
has more heart and concern than he'
s give credi for
My point it takin it to the max is far too ofteen we conjure up images of the bad guys being steti typicakl and overloke the judges
lawyers and yes, cops that are the true hinks of society
As the self appointed Pariah here i have as much rights to point the moral compass as the revenge seekers
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Post by Cranky on Aug 21, 2004 0:25:42 GMT -5
Ah,Dio,Dio,Dio. I seek not to irk your a*s.Just trying to point out that we allknow of the injustices done by the society we live and by and large done by those who are sworn to "protect"it.
As the "self appointed pariah" of the forum,use a little decorum in the future.We were paying TRIBUTE to the memories of lost souls,not enticing revenge.
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Post by OKValleyGirl on Aug 21, 2004 15:25:04 GMT -5
I seek no revenge for my friend Karen...I just feel the need to Honor her, and Mindy and all the other women who have been killed or are missing...
I just really miss her sometimes and wish that, if there truely be a God, let someone find her remains, so that she may be layed to rest in a proper manner. It pains me to no end, to think of her laying out there in the woods somewhere. After 4 years, I am sure there is not much left of her. But she, and her family and friends, need to have that closure. I know how the Dunahee's feel, not knowing, is a very hard thing to deal with. It is in the back of your mind constantly. Where? Why? How? Questions that may never have an answer.
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Post by Ghostbuster on Nov 21, 2004 4:19:34 GMT -5
There are many names throughout British Columbia. Who will remember them, and how many can we recall. But, the evil doers names should be erased from the pages of history.
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