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Post by Drip torch in the woods on Sept 6, 2003 23:01:25 GMT -5
But I'm pretty sure it was saying this that got the thread unplugged. on Today at 17:25:22, MyParentsHouse wrote:understand...I am sorry I am not one to follow barimetric pressures and so on such as yourself...I do not follow what is going on on the Modis maps such as yourself...if you have something to say...say it please......I make a really crumby puzzle solver... Okay, I’ll give it a go… A tactically questionable burn off was directly responsible for the increase in fire behavior that prompted resent evacuations and destruction of the KVR. It may have eventually happened on it's own, but the winds didn't factor as significantly as the convection column resultant from the burn did. In my humble opinion... I guess we'll know soon... eh?
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Post by Ely on Sept 6, 2003 23:08:09 GMT -5
Tucker, where did you hear about Sunpeaks being evaced? and Sunpeaks is not retirement home, its the ski hill out of Kamloops, I beleive the fire is around Chase Magillvary.
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Post by carebearbc on Sept 6, 2003 23:09:37 GMT -5
Sunpeaks is the ski hill in Kamloops.
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Post by MyParentsHouse on Sept 6, 2003 23:09:37 GMT -5
can you tell I don't ski anymore? Hope that the fire hasn't errupted even more over there...UGH...
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Post by tucker on Sept 6, 2003 23:21:07 GMT -5
Yes it has, so Sun Peaks is evacted and I hope that's all. However when your fire made it's run Wed, we also had a run both on the McLure fire and The Chase fire. I don't think that they did a back burn on all three at the same time???
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Post by sshoihet on Sept 6, 2003 23:24:03 GMT -5
I'm new at this, but they censor?? Why?? Aren't we all adults?? NO, everyone here isn't an adult and some people here have their own agenda/axe to grind. -Steve
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Post by Weatherguy on Sept 6, 2003 23:36:02 GMT -5
Well put Tucker. Had they not tried a backfire guys like drip would be the first to criticize them for inaction. Pretty clear to me that his real gripe is the FS letting his contract lapse back in the dark ages. Too bad he doesn't have the maturity to move on. A little experience can be a huge burden when no-one wants to use it because you spend your days with a big chip on your shoulder offering backseat advice. "Questionable tactics"? BS.
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Post by Drip torch in the woods on Sept 6, 2003 23:39:18 GMT -5
Yes it has, so Sun Peaks is evacted and I hope that's all. However when your fire made it's run Wed, we also had a run both on the McLure fire and The Chase fire. I don't think that they did a back burn on all three at the same time??? Kamloops had significant wind and a radical change in direction... Time/Temp/Dew Point Temp/Rel Hum/Wind Dir/Wind Spd/Visibility/Station Pressure/Weather 00:00 18.1 8.8 55 10 7 24.1 97.54 Clear 01:00 17.7 5.2 44 8 6 24.1 97.55 Clear 02:00 14.7 5.0 52 9 6 24.1 97.57 Clear 03:00 11.6 5.2 65 0 0 24.1 97.60 Clear 04:00 13.1 5.1 58 9 4 24.1 97.62 Clear 05:00 12.9 5.0 59 9 4 12.9 97.63 Mainly Clear 06:00 12.3 4.7 60 11 6 12.9 97.67 Mainly Clear 07:00 15.0 6.8 58 0 0 12.9 97.69 Mainly Clear 08:00 16.7 4.8 45 5 4 11.3 97.66 Mainly Clear 09:00 18.5 5.8 43 0 0 6.4 97.59 Smoke 10:00 21.1 6.2 38 27 6 8.0 97.51 Smoke 11:00 23.3 6.5 34 18 4 8.0 97.39 Smoke 12:00 26.4 7.8 31 22 6 8.0 97.28 Smoke 13:00 26.9 8.4 31 27 9 8.0 97.16 Smoke 14:00 29.4 7.5 25 22 6 9.7 97.04 Smoke 15:00 30.8 8.4 25 27 7 64.4 96.94 Clear 16:00 29.6 9.8 29 28 11 64.4 96.86 Clear 17:00 29.5 9.3 28 27 6 16.1 96.80 Clear 18:00 27.5 9.7 33 0 0 16.1 96.77 Mainly Clear 19:00 25.5 9.8 37 3 4 32.2 96.78 Mainly Clear 20:00 30.0 2.2 17 25 19 32.2 96.81 Mainly Clear 21:00 25.6 3.5 24 32 6 32.2 96.87 Mainly Clear 22:00 24.3 5.8 30 26 7 24.1 96.93 Mainly Clear 23:00 22.3 6.2 35 11 7 24.1 96.99
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Post by Weatherguy on Sept 6, 2003 23:42:16 GMT -5
Ya.....and? What about topography, aspect, Haines index? Its not that simple lad. You weren't there......and its easy to see why.
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Post by Weatherguy on Sept 6, 2003 23:46:43 GMT -5
By the way....do you really think you make the call from sitting behind a terminal. Anyone who had really spent any time out there....and many readers will know what I'm talking about...will know how ludicrous that proposition is. Move on to something that you actually have some experience with....like arm bending.
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Post by sshoihet on Sept 6, 2003 23:48:51 GMT -5
Honestly LouLou, I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions and yes there is such a thing as local winds that may not have registered for Enviroment Canada at the airport. If there is such a thing as local wind, then there is also a local absence of wind. The airport is quite a distance from the fire and also considerer that the fire is burning at a much higher altitude of about 1500m (~5,000ft) and the airport is at an elevation 430m (1,410ft). Anyone living in kelowna knows that the weather at the airport can be significantly different from the rest of the city. I'm sure you know that the winds at altitude or through the canyon may be significantly higher. The Env. Canada weather report I listened to predicted a reduction in wind in the city but increased wind above 4000ft. -Steve
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Post by Drip torch in the woods on Sept 6, 2003 23:49:46 GMT -5
Axe to grind?
Not at all, I think my position is well documented on the various threads...
So what do you bring to this discussion... anything factually based?
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Post by Weatherguy on Sept 6, 2003 23:54:47 GMT -5
I think the closest this guy has come to the business end of an axe is painting the handles and keeping them in a nice row.
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Post by LouLou on Sept 7, 2003 0:15:13 GMT -5
Weather Guy, If you have any expertise use to give us some facts. Your no better than the rest if all you do ramble, complain and insult
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Post by Weatherguy on Sept 7, 2003 0:32:36 GMT -5
OK LouLou. You can take this to the bank.
There are very few "facts" relative to large pyroclastic fires. They're not magic but they're very close.
Anyone who pretends that fighting these things is a science made up of discreet disectable parts has never had to make important judgement calls themselves.
But here's the bottom line. Every one of these large fires burning in the province follows the same sequence. Days on end of failed plan after failed plan, followed by one success. But you know what...and here's the beauty.....that one success is all it takes....and I'm sure glad the world is full of people who don't dwell on their failures.
Lets move on.
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