LouLou
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Post by LouLou on Sept 7, 2003 0:37:58 GMT -5
Yes, lets move on. What is happening right now??? Weather is your thing. Tell us what is happening on that mountain. We are frustrated with no information and you claim to be the "Weather Guy" If you were Mike Roberts you would tell it like it is. Remember "the fire will be 'awsomely, swiftly, moving' Give us some indication what is happening. Please...   |
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Post by Drip torch in the woods on Sept 7, 2003 0:38:06 GMT -5
Ya.....and? What about topography, aspect, Haines index? Its not that simple lad. You weren't there......and its easy to see why. Haines index? Why would I need to know the Haines index? We're in Canada... right... so we use the FBP component of the CFFDRS. Topographic information, which of course, includes aspect is, in my opinion, easier to see from a computer screen than it is from the ground,... that might just be because everything’s uphill on a fire line. fms.nofc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/pdf/fighting_fire.pdf |
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Post by Weatherguy on Sept 7, 2003 0:49:10 GMT -5
You know Drip....I could get to like you......but that would be out of character ;D
Lou Lou
From everything I can see you should feel the leading edge of this front in about 1-2 hours. Now that its dark I have to rely on infrared.
Good news bad news. It is behaving about as expected...gusts about 15-30 kmh (the high end showing up in topographic bottlenecks). Unfortunately, thats what you have in the eastern edge of the fire.
Not much juice in this so far other than in predictable areas in the fraser valley....but the winds could be a lot worse and it seems to be moving through quickly. After that, the cool damp air should be pretty uplifting.....and a darmn fine time to build lots and lots of fire guard.
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Post by Weatherguy on Sept 7, 2003 0:56:35 GMT -5
One last thing before I hit the sack. All of these large fire dynamics are the same. No one really knows whether their up or down until the thermal image is taken in the morning. Actually the public often sees and hears as much from their own obseravtions and contacts as fire bosses, once its dark. But its way better now than it used to be. In the eighties and nineties the thermal images were never shown to the public.
If you know how to read them you can make some educated guesses....but thats as good as it gets. Sorry
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Post by Drip torch in the woods on Sept 7, 2003 0:56:38 GMT -5
and a darmn fine time to build lots and lots of fire guard. Amen to lots and lots of control line... if you know what I mean.  |
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LouLou
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Post by LouLou on Sept 7, 2003 1:05:52 GMT -5
Thanks Mike...oh I mean Weather Guy. I just want an educated summation of what is going on. Don't seem to be getting that as easily as we used to. Too much media savvy going on. I want to hear Mike Roberts getting excited and Zimmerman swearing. It lets me know that I'm getting the real information and not the typical media smooze. No wonder there are Lookey Loos in the neighborhoods. The information we are getting is slow and not necessarily 100% true. People really need to know that this is real. Hollywood has destroyed our faith in the news media. Sleep well Weather Guy. Come back in the morning and let us know how to read those topographical maps |
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Post by sshoihet on Sept 7, 2003 4:08:24 GMT -5
Axe to grind? Not at all, I think my position is well documented on the various threads... Why would you assume that I was referring to you? I wasn't, and I wasn't even referring to this thread. I was reminding people that there was a possibility that some of the messages posted here may have questionable motives and that some people may not be what they pretend to be. Some of the people visiting this forum may be on the new side to the internet and may forget that. The statement "aren't we all adults here" suggest that. It was a caution statement to weigh the information accordingly. |
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Post by FF on Sept 7, 2003 13:34:29 GMT -5
Why? Why? Why? would you use water for initial attack on Aug.16 instead of long term fire retardent? The Fire Center Managers needed to justify bringing these goofy airplanes from back east because they thought they might need them when use the New Era fire plan. Any one with any experience knows the benefits of Long Term fire retardent over water. It has been this way since the initial days of the air tanker program in B.C. It is hard to imagine how, collectively they can make so many consecutive critical errors in fire organization and fire control. I could go on all day, but hopefully Dumb and Dumber will get a fair trial, then.....
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Post by Drip torch in the woods on Sept 7, 2003 17:22:46 GMT -5
Hey steve,
"Shortcomming #1 Big Mountain
Alright, but I'll ask this question again. Have you ever been in OMP? Having spent time hiking in OMP and belvue creek park on and off trail I know what the terrain is like. They're having a heck of time in Myra canyon. It's not a class A park, it's got logging roads. I'm sure you can read a topographic map. It's a mountain with steep terrain.
Your suggestion that we live in a "rainforest that hasn't received it's share of rain" shows a complete ignorance of kelowna and taints anything else that you might have to say.
-Steve"
I guess I'll have to reply to you on this thread,... since the other one is unplugged.
Yes, actually, the girl friend and I were hiking in that neck of the woods in early June.
Your stark conclusion, I’m afraid to say is a little out of context in that I was making a generalization regarding the state of the Province of BC at the time this fire started.
I think its great though that you took the time to look up and report that:
*The Okanagan Range Ecosection is characterized by high mountains with deep, dry valleys that on the eastern side have Bunchgrass and Ponderosa Pine Zones and It is a *Dry Ecodomain in southern and leeward range of the Okanagan Range, and the western side of the Okanagan. Vegetation in the valleys and basins is typically steppe or bunchgrass prairie that may contain sagebrush or occasional ponderosa pine or Douglas-fir. At higher altitudes, subalpine coniferous forests can become established. But no "rain forests".
* Excerpts from the Ministry of Sustainable Resource Management
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Post by sshoihet on Sept 7, 2003 22:44:06 GMT -5
Hey steve, I think its great though that you took the time to look up and report that: *The Okanagan Range Ecosection is characterized by high mountains with deep, dry valleys that on the eastern side have Bunchgrass and Ponderosa Pine Zones and It is a *Dry Ecodomain in southern and leeward range of the Okanagan Range, and the western side of the Okanagan. Vegetation in the valleys and basins is typically steppe or bunchgrass prairie that may contain sagebrush or occasional ponderosa pine or Douglas-fir. At higher altitudes, subalpine coniferous forests can become established. But no "rain forests". Can't take credit for that, I believe that was Shiva. I'm not trying to be mean or confrontational to anyone, I'm just very tired of all the crap that I am hearing on the radio and seeing in print from people that have no idea what they're talking about. I'm by no means a fire expert, I have only basic fire training with the military, I work in engineering and have training in thermo. I've been in the fire areas many times and I know it's difficult enough hiking those areas never mind trying to fight a fire there with all the dangers that may be present. I spent 5 hrs hiking in Belvue in June and I rode june springs FSR and some of Belvue on my bike in July and it was a difficult, hot trip. Unfortunately I broke part of my bike before I reached the trestles and decided to turn back home. I had planned a ride to Arlington Lk. If only I had known at the time I would never see the trestles again I might have continued on anyway. Of the hundreds of pictures I have shot in the wilderness of the Okanagan I haven't a single picture of the KVR. I guess I thought it would always be there. If you wish e-mail me privately in the future I can be reached at sshoihet@silk.net. My appologies if you feel I have acted unfairly towards you. -Steve |
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Post by Shiva on Sept 8, 2003 0:12:50 GMT -5
Can't take credit for that, I believe that was Shiva. -Steve OK - Since I posted it, I'll take the blame - er - credit. Hope you didn't get razzed for it. I was just claifying that the valley, in particular, the OMP fire is not in a rain forest. |
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Post by sshoihet on Sept 8, 2003 1:42:15 GMT -5
OK - Since I posted it, I'll take the blame - er - credit. Hope you didn't get razzed for it. I was just claifying that the valley, in particular, the OMP fire is not in a rain forest. I can't tell if he was kidding or serious |
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Post by Drip torch in the woods on Sept 8, 2003 2:06:32 GMT -5
Okay,
It was Shiva that corrected me and Steve that's dogging me... ;D
Steve, I don't think your picking on me...you just took my rain forest comment out of context. I was sticking up for the FS, I know kind of out of character... pointing out that the province is really dry and had a lot of fires going way back when this started.
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Post by sshoihet on Sept 8, 2003 2:14:15 GMT -5
Okay, It was Shiva that corrected me and Steve that's dogging me... ;D Steve, I don't think your picking on me...you just took my rain forest comment out of context. I was sticking up for the FS, I know kind of out of character... pointing out that the province is really dry and had a lot of fires going way back when this started. Ok now that we've got that settled who wants to go for a beer? -Steve |
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Post by Drip torch in the woods on Sept 20, 2003 13:34:37 GMT -5
Okay, I'm ready for that beer now…
Perhaps while we're sipping we could discuss the merits of dripping a burning mixture of gasoline and diesel around in a tinder dry forest that is so close to an urban area.
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